1 00:00:19,729 --> 00:00:22,359 (indistinct chatter) 2 00:00:26,277 --> 00:00:28,737 My name is Gene Hasenfus. 3 00:00:28,821 --> 00:00:31,321 Where are you from? 4 00:00:31,407 --> 00:00:33,827 Marinette, Wisconsin. 5 00:00:33,909 --> 00:00:36,619 Can you tell us how you came to be here? 6 00:00:37,955 --> 00:00:40,575 I was shot out of the sky. 7 00:00:40,666 --> 00:00:42,836 REPORTER: A Wisconsin man has been the focus 8 00:00:42,918 --> 00:00:44,458 of international news this week. 9 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:47,465 45-year-old Eugene Hasenfus of Marinette 10 00:00:47,548 --> 00:00:52,258 was captured in Nicaragua after his cargo plane was shot down. 11 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:55,644 Hasenfus said his mission was directed by the CIA, 12 00:00:55,723 --> 00:00:59,063 but US officials say the flights were privately directed. 13 00:01:01,103 --> 00:01:05,193 There must be no Soviet beachhead in Central America. 14 00:01:07,151 --> 00:01:09,701 There is no doubt that the President wanted the policy 15 00:01:09,779 --> 00:01:12,359 of support for the Nicaraguan resistance pursued, 16 00:01:12,448 --> 00:01:15,488 and I did so to the very best of my abilities. 17 00:01:15,618 --> 00:01:17,698 Because there's kind of nagging away 18 00:01:17,787 --> 00:01:19,497 that I knew something about an operation 19 00:01:19,622 --> 00:01:21,122 with these Contras and all, which isn't true. 20 00:01:21,207 --> 00:01:23,247 Now, do I support the Contras? You bet. 21 00:01:23,292 --> 00:01:24,712 There are notations to 22 00:01:24,794 --> 00:01:27,424 "conversations with VP," "met with VP." 23 00:01:27,505 --> 00:01:30,795 MAN: "Calls from VP," "Felix talking about VP." 24 00:01:30,883 --> 00:01:33,223 Things like that. There's lots of other references. 25 00:01:33,302 --> 00:01:36,472 Good afternoon, Mr. Rodriguez. 26 00:01:36,555 --> 00:01:39,635 Your true name is Felix Rodriguez, correct? 27 00:01:39,725 --> 00:01:40,975 That is correct, sir. 28 00:01:41,060 --> 00:01:42,440 And you have also been known 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,060 by the name of Max Gomez, correct? 30 00:01:44,146 --> 00:01:47,186 Yes, sir. 31 00:01:47,274 --> 00:01:50,614 BERRELLEZ: Felix Rodriguez was a CIA operative. 32 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:52,954 He interrogated Kiki Camarena 33 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:57,080 and was there at the scene where Kiki was killed. 34 00:02:00,246 --> 00:02:02,916 ♪♪ 35 00:02:15,094 --> 00:02:17,604 NARRATOR: While Kiki Camarena investigated 36 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,600 the Guadalajara Cartel in the early 1980s, 37 00:02:21,684 --> 00:02:24,194 the CIA waged a secret war 38 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:27,570 that led to the scandal called Iran-Contra. 39 00:02:27,648 --> 00:02:29,938 It was in Nicaragua, 40 00:02:30,025 --> 00:02:33,695 where a Communist regime was under siege by the Contras. 41 00:02:33,737 --> 00:02:38,327 A guerrilla army, funded, armed, and trained by the CIA. 42 00:02:38,409 --> 00:02:40,699 REAGAN: Until these men are successful 43 00:02:40,786 --> 00:02:42,326 in their freedom struggle, 44 00:02:42,413 --> 00:02:45,123 there will be no peace in Central America. 45 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:50,709 NARRATOR: In 1984, one year before Camarena was murdered, 46 00:02:50,796 --> 00:02:53,376 the US Congress cut off funding to the Contras, 47 00:02:53,465 --> 00:02:56,175 and passed a law banning the CIA 48 00:02:56,260 --> 00:02:58,760 from backing the anti-communist rebels. 49 00:02:58,846 --> 00:03:04,386 In response, CIA and National Security Council officials 50 00:03:04,476 --> 00:03:08,686 cooked up new, covert ways to get money and guns to the Contras. 51 00:03:08,772 --> 00:03:11,782 Senate hearings and media investigations 52 00:03:11,859 --> 00:03:14,029 later alleged that CIA operatives 53 00:03:14,111 --> 00:03:16,571 smuggled tons of cocaine into the US 54 00:03:16,655 --> 00:03:19,485 to fund the illegal war in Nicaragua. 55 00:03:19,575 --> 00:03:22,285 But until now, it's remained a mystery 56 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:25,369 how the war on communism and the war on drugs 57 00:03:25,456 --> 00:03:28,916 collided to make a martyr of Kiki Camarena. 58 00:03:53,108 --> 00:03:54,898 BERRELLEZ: During the investigation, 59 00:03:54,985 --> 00:03:59,485 the name of Max Gomez, a Cuban, kept coming up. 60 00:03:59,573 --> 00:04:02,083 So, I do photo lineups, 61 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,199 10 pictures of Hispanic males, 62 00:04:04,286 --> 00:04:08,916 and included Ismael Felix Rodriguez. 63 00:04:08,999 --> 00:04:11,169 And I asked René, "Do you see anybody here 64 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:13,381 that interrogated Kiki Camarena?" 65 00:04:13,462 --> 00:04:14,842 And he goes, "Yeah, this guy right here, 66 00:04:14,922 --> 00:04:16,422 I told you about him, Max Gomez." 67 00:04:16,507 --> 00:04:19,507 I go to Godoy with the same photo lineup. 68 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:21,183 I says, "Who do you see here 69 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,011 that was involved in pre-abduction meetings, 70 00:04:23,097 --> 00:04:24,967 and might've been involved in picking up Kiki?" 71 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:26,927 "Max Gomez, this guy right here, 72 00:04:27,017 --> 00:04:29,227 the guy that I've heard on the tapes 73 00:04:29,311 --> 00:04:31,481 interrogating Kiki Camarena." Boom. 74 00:04:31,563 --> 00:04:34,233 I go to Ramon Lira. "Who do you see 75 00:04:34,316 --> 00:04:36,066 that you recognize here was at Lope de Vega?" 76 00:04:36,151 --> 00:04:37,701 He says, "Ismael Felix Rodriguez right there, 77 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:39,148 I told you about him, that's him." 78 00:04:40,614 --> 00:04:42,704 I identified him. 79 00:04:45,327 --> 00:04:47,957 I go to my people and I says, "Run this guy all over!" 80 00:04:53,794 --> 00:04:55,634 And he lit up like a Christmas tree. 81 00:04:55,713 --> 00:04:57,513 I mean, this guy is all over the place. 82 00:05:04,013 --> 00:05:07,063 HOLM: Felix Rodriguez worked for the CIA. 83 00:05:07,141 --> 00:05:11,271 He was on the hunt for Che Guevara in Bolivia 84 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:12,943 when they tracked him down 85 00:05:13,022 --> 00:05:14,482 and the Bolivian army killed him. 86 00:05:17,735 --> 00:05:22,945 Then, he was assigned to Operation Phoenix in Vietnam 87 00:05:23,032 --> 00:05:27,792 where they identified and assassinated Vietcong commanders. 88 00:05:27,870 --> 00:05:29,910 The guy's a legend. 89 00:05:36,587 --> 00:05:39,877 REPORTER: Felix Rodriguez was born in Cuba in 1941 90 00:05:39,965 --> 00:05:42,215 into a life of comfort and privilege. 91 00:05:42,301 --> 00:05:45,851 Early on he was fascinated by guns and the military. 92 00:05:45,929 --> 00:05:48,019 But when Fidel Castro overthrew 93 00:05:48,098 --> 00:05:51,268 the US-backed Bautista regime in 1959, 94 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:53,771 Rodriguez became obsessed with just one goal, 95 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:56,024 to liberate Cuba from communism. 96 00:05:56,106 --> 00:05:57,816 How did the CIA get to you? 97 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:00,030 Well, I got to them. 98 00:06:05,324 --> 00:06:09,544 BERRELLEZ: Felix Rodriguez participated in the Bay of Pigs. 99 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:13,790 And by the way, he's very close to old man Bush. 100 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:21,335 MIKE WALLACE: Rodriguez says he first went to Salvador in 1985 101 00:06:21,423 --> 00:06:23,723 on his own initiative as a private citizen 102 00:06:23,801 --> 00:06:27,101 to help the Salvadorians in their fight against the Communists. 103 00:06:27,179 --> 00:06:29,349 Just months after arriving in Salvador, 104 00:06:29,431 --> 00:06:32,181 Rodriguez says he received a letter from Oliver North, 105 00:06:32,267 --> 00:06:34,937 whom he had met in Washington, a letter that began, 106 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:38,320 "Dear Felix, after reading this letter, please destroy it." 107 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:41,028 North went on to recruit Rodriguez 108 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:44,150 into managing the illegal Contra resupply operation 109 00:06:44,238 --> 00:06:48,028 headquartered at the Ilopango Airbase outside San Salvador. 110 00:06:48,117 --> 00:06:53,827 Felix Rodriguez was an experienced interrogator. 111 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:56,674 What business did he have 112 00:06:56,750 --> 00:07:00,960 interrogating DEA Agent Enrique Camarena? 113 00:07:08,637 --> 00:07:12,717 I have another question, sir. 114 00:07:12,808 --> 00:07:16,268 You've been in that part of the world for a long time. 115 00:07:16,353 --> 00:07:20,273 Were you aware of any drugs being transported 116 00:07:20,357 --> 00:07:23,357 out of Central America into the United States? 117 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:24,823 No, sir. 118 00:07:24,903 --> 00:07:26,363 Never heard of that? 119 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:27,906 Well, I have heard of that, 120 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:29,580 but direct knowledge of it, I haven't, 121 00:07:29,658 --> 00:07:31,738 or participation or any type of that thing. 122 00:07:31,827 --> 00:07:37,287 Did you hear of any activity by those contracted by Americans? 123 00:07:37,374 --> 00:07:39,084 What I have seen in the papers, sir. 124 00:07:40,711 --> 00:07:42,461 Other than that, you're not aware of it. 125 00:07:42,546 --> 00:07:43,796 No, sir. 126 00:07:43,881 --> 00:07:45,171 BERRELLEZ: I went to Godoy and said, 127 00:07:45,257 --> 00:07:46,837 "Where have you seen this guy 128 00:07:46,925 --> 00:07:49,175 Max Gomez/Felix Rodriguez?" 129 00:07:49,261 --> 00:07:51,681 And he said, "Well, one time, 130 00:07:51,763 --> 00:07:53,933 "we were sent by Fonseca to the airport, 131 00:07:54,016 --> 00:07:57,896 "and we met with this guy Max Gomez/Felix Rodriguez. 132 00:07:57,978 --> 00:08:00,688 And he delivered a whole bunch of weapons to us." 133 00:08:00,772 --> 00:08:02,482 Not only did I see Max Gomez at the airport, 134 00:08:02,566 --> 00:08:04,396 I also saw him in safe houses 135 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:08,284 taking money in bags, 136 00:08:08,363 --> 00:08:09,823 narco-dollars, 137 00:08:09,907 --> 00:08:11,987 blood money, 138 00:08:12,075 --> 00:08:14,155 death money... 139 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:17,294 Blood money. 140 00:08:18,248 --> 00:08:22,458 BERRELLEZ: He was delivering weapons to Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo? 141 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:25,464 "Definitely, yes he was." 142 00:08:27,132 --> 00:08:29,182 And I went to Ramon Lira. 143 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:32,009 "Ramon, tell me about this guy Felix Rodriguez, who is he?" 144 00:08:32,095 --> 00:08:34,965 "He's a CIA guy, I told you already. 145 00:08:35,057 --> 00:08:37,847 He would bring weapons to Fonseca." 146 00:08:37,935 --> 00:08:41,555 This was in mid-1984, when he delivered a shipment 147 00:08:41,647 --> 00:08:45,277 of AK-47s and hand grenades 148 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:46,939 to a house owned by Ernesto Fonseca, 149 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:50,527 located down Mar Marmara Street. 150 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:56,038 At one point, Fonseca and Felix Rodriguez disappeared. 151 00:08:56,119 --> 00:08:58,369 They went to talk inside a room. 152 00:08:58,455 --> 00:09:00,245 After a while, 153 00:09:00,332 --> 00:09:04,042 Felix Rodriguez came out of the room with a suitcase. 154 00:09:04,127 --> 00:09:05,627 The suitcase wasn't full of clothes. 155 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:07,972 It was packed with money. 156 00:09:11,510 --> 00:09:12,970 BERRELLEZ: Blew my mind. 157 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:15,393 I said, what am I dealing with here? 158 00:09:15,472 --> 00:09:17,602 This is not the Camarena case 159 00:09:17,683 --> 00:09:20,313 that I thought I was supposed to be investigating. 160 00:09:20,394 --> 00:09:22,354 It seems like our own government's involved, 161 00:09:22,437 --> 00:09:26,607 the CIA's involved, the DFS is involved. 162 00:09:26,692 --> 00:09:29,572 Then, I'm really now getting like worried 163 00:09:29,653 --> 00:09:31,953 about this investigation, where am I going with this stuff? 164 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:37,662 I kept focusing in on Max Gomez. 165 00:09:37,744 --> 00:09:41,044 And I asked, "Rene, where did you see this guy?" 166 00:09:41,415 --> 00:09:44,535 LOPEZ: I saw him on three occasions. 167 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:47,626 When the kidnapping of Kiki was planned. 168 00:09:47,713 --> 00:09:49,633 He was at the Hotel Fiesta Americana 169 00:09:49,715 --> 00:09:51,545 and at the Hyatt Hotel. 170 00:09:53,176 --> 00:09:57,256 GODOY: At the Hyatt Hotel, in another meeting, 171 00:09:57,347 --> 00:10:00,847 I also heard the plans being made. 172 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:05,864 They wanted to kidnap a DEA agent. 173 00:10:07,816 --> 00:10:14,316 I saw Felix Rodriguez again on February 6th, 1985, 174 00:10:14,406 --> 00:10:19,116 in a house owned by Rafael Caro Quintero, 175 00:10:19,202 --> 00:10:21,872 located on Hidalgo Avenue. 176 00:10:21,955 --> 00:10:24,615 Felix Rodriguez was there, 177 00:10:24,708 --> 00:10:27,838 Felix Gallardo was there. 178 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:30,049 Caro Quintero was there. 179 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:33,180 Manuel Bartlett Diaz was there. 180 00:10:33,258 --> 00:10:36,598 General Arevalo Gardoqui was there. 181 00:10:36,678 --> 00:10:39,638 General Vinicio Santoyo Feria was there. 182 00:10:39,723 --> 00:10:41,393 It was a meeting of the cartel leaders. 183 00:10:43,352 --> 00:10:45,522 What a coincidence 184 00:10:45,604 --> 00:10:47,944 this meeting happened the night before 185 00:10:48,023 --> 00:10:51,073 the kidnapping, torture and murder of Camarena. 186 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:54,241 The top Narco leaders held a meeting, 187 00:10:54,321 --> 00:10:58,701 along with politicians, CIA, Mexican Army. 188 00:10:58,784 --> 00:11:00,494 Call it whatever you want. 189 00:11:00,577 --> 00:11:03,077 What a coincidence this took place one day before 190 00:11:03,163 --> 00:11:06,583 the capture, torture, and death of Camarena. 191 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,840 I then went back to Rene and I said, 192 00:11:11,922 --> 00:11:15,302 "Where else did you see this guy, Rodriguez, the CIA guy?" 193 00:11:15,384 --> 00:11:19,554 "I also saw him at Rancho Veracruz." 194 00:11:49,543 --> 00:11:52,843 LOPEZ: We went to the ranch in Veracruz, 195 00:11:52,921 --> 00:11:57,801 we flew with Ernesto Fonseca on his jet. 196 00:12:00,595 --> 00:12:02,755 When we landed at the ranch, 197 00:12:02,848 --> 00:12:05,978 I saw a lot of people there. 198 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:08,189 I was really impressed. 199 00:12:08,270 --> 00:12:11,650 I'd never seen anything like it before. 200 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:14,901 So many weapons, so many drugs. 201 00:12:14,985 --> 00:12:17,605 Especially cocaine. 202 00:12:17,696 --> 00:12:20,526 Some 10, 15 tons. 203 00:12:20,615 --> 00:12:22,235 They were in big packages. 204 00:12:22,325 --> 00:12:25,245 I'd seen a lot of marijuana before. 205 00:12:25,328 --> 00:12:28,368 But this was cocaine, weapons, money. 206 00:12:29,124 --> 00:12:30,254 And a lot of important people, 207 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:33,213 a lot of the big shots. 208 00:12:35,005 --> 00:12:38,505 It was a very big ranch. 209 00:12:39,593 --> 00:12:41,893 And the air strip, well, 210 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:44,310 it was very professional. 211 00:12:44,389 --> 00:12:46,519 Even with workers who directed planes 212 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,810 like at the airport. 213 00:12:51,188 --> 00:12:54,568 INTERVIEWER: And what did they explain to you about the ranch? 214 00:12:54,649 --> 00:12:56,609 No, no, they didn't give you any explanation. 215 00:12:56,693 --> 00:12:58,993 You were never given an explanation. 216 00:12:59,070 --> 00:13:02,530 I was just a bodyguard. 217 00:13:02,616 --> 00:13:04,366 Of course, you could see everything there. 218 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:06,041 INTERVIEWER: And who owned the ranch? 219 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:08,959 That was Caro Quintero's ranch. 220 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,460 INTERVIEWER: And what were they 221 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:13,421 loading or unloading from the planes? 222 00:13:13,502 --> 00:13:15,382 Well, when we arrived at the ranch, 223 00:13:15,462 --> 00:13:17,262 the cocaine was already there. 224 00:13:17,339 --> 00:13:20,589 They were unloading weapons from a plane. 225 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:23,595 They finished unloading the weapons 226 00:13:23,678 --> 00:13:25,388 and started to load the drugs. 227 00:13:26,932 --> 00:13:29,392 BERRELLEZ: "What else did you see there?" 228 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:31,766 "Well, we saw military operations, people training there, 229 00:13:31,853 --> 00:13:35,153 "shooting fields and stuff like that. 230 00:13:35,232 --> 00:13:37,732 "And there was a big airstrip 231 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:40,197 with American government planes." 232 00:14:58,607 --> 00:15:01,227 LIRA: They would not stop asking him the same questions. 233 00:15:01,318 --> 00:15:04,488 What had he found out about the CIA, 234 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:07,371 what investigations he had into the CIA, 235 00:15:07,449 --> 00:15:11,199 the nexus of the CIA with drug trafficking, 236 00:15:11,286 --> 00:15:13,826 and what he knew about the relationship 237 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:17,833 between the Mexican government, the CIA, and the Narcos. 238 00:15:21,046 --> 00:15:25,506 MAN: I've been spending some time looking at the numbers here 239 00:15:25,592 --> 00:15:28,012 of the amount of aid 240 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:31,184 that the Contras were getting at various times... 241 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:34,854 ...and I come to the conclusion that we're missing something. 242 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:37,194 That there's got to be 243 00:15:37,270 --> 00:15:40,360 another source of funding for the Contras... 244 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,940 Well, I don't think I can help you there. 245 00:15:44,027 --> 00:15:46,237 I don't know of anything else. 246 00:15:46,321 --> 00:15:48,621 I think there's gotta be some other source of funds 247 00:15:48,698 --> 00:15:52,618 that we - we meaning this committee - has not yet uncovered. 248 00:16:14,557 --> 00:16:19,307 BERRELLEZ: Guillermo González Calderoni, he worked well with DEA 249 00:16:19,396 --> 00:16:23,066 even though he also received money from the cartels. 250 00:16:25,402 --> 00:16:29,662 When the president of Mexico asked for his arrest, 251 00:16:29,739 --> 00:16:33,449 he knew that he was going to be killed, 252 00:16:33,535 --> 00:16:34,615 so he calls me and he says, "Hector," 253 00:16:34,703 --> 00:16:36,333 he says, "You gotta help me. 254 00:16:36,413 --> 00:16:37,663 "They're gonna kill me in my own country here. 255 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:39,867 "The president Carlos Salinas 256 00:16:39,958 --> 00:16:42,538 and his brother are out to get me." 257 00:16:42,627 --> 00:16:44,627 Raul Salinas, the president's brother in Mexico 258 00:16:44,713 --> 00:16:46,553 was a major drug dealer. 259 00:16:46,631 --> 00:16:48,631 And I says, "Guillermo, run to the States, 260 00:16:48,717 --> 00:16:50,757 I'll hide you over here." 261 00:16:50,844 --> 00:16:52,724 And I hid him in Palm Springs. 262 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:59,058 He told me that in favor of me saving his life, 263 00:16:59,144 --> 00:17:01,864 he was now gonna save my life. 264 00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,688 And I said, "How are you gonna save my life?" 265 00:17:04,774 --> 00:17:08,034 He says, "Take this advice," and first he told me in Spanish. 266 00:17:08,111 --> 00:17:10,321 "Get out of this investigation, 267 00:17:10,405 --> 00:17:12,735 "you're just going to make yourself stink, brother. 268 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:16,084 "They don't want you to solve the Camarena case. 269 00:17:16,161 --> 00:17:18,371 "Your own government ordered him killed. 270 00:17:18,455 --> 00:17:21,325 "Don't you know that all the cocaine coming in right now 271 00:17:21,416 --> 00:17:23,126 "is being brought in by the CIA 272 00:17:23,209 --> 00:17:25,169 "to support that dirty war in Nicaragua? 273 00:17:25,253 --> 00:17:28,133 Aren't you aware what happened in Nicaragua?" 274 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:30,134 I said, "Well, yeah, the Sandonista government took over." 275 00:17:30,216 --> 00:17:33,136 "Yeah, and who funded them? Who supported them? 276 00:17:33,219 --> 00:17:34,799 "The Russians and the damn Cubans. 277 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:38,178 "And they overthrew the Anastasio Somoza government. 278 00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:41,436 "The Contras are his old guard 279 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,019 "and Felix Rodriguez, and those guys 280 00:17:43,104 --> 00:17:45,944 "are arming them with drug monies. 281 00:17:46,024 --> 00:17:47,404 You getting the picture?" 282 00:17:53,031 --> 00:17:55,741 He says Kiki Camarena was picked up 283 00:17:55,825 --> 00:17:59,785 because they thought that he was about to uncover 284 00:17:59,871 --> 00:18:04,671 the nexus of the CIA, DFS together with the drug lords 285 00:18:04,751 --> 00:18:07,341 to fund a war 286 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:10,220 which has not been authorized in Nicaragua. 287 00:18:11,883 --> 00:18:14,223 The drug traffickers were used. 288 00:18:15,553 --> 00:18:17,813 INTERVIEWER: Mike Holm was there? Mike Holm can corroborate that? 289 00:18:17,889 --> 00:18:19,389 BERRELLEZ: Yes, he was. 290 00:18:19,474 --> 00:18:21,564 HOLM: Guillermo Calderoni defected from 291 00:18:21,643 --> 00:18:23,853 the Mexican Federal Judicial Police, 292 00:18:23,937 --> 00:18:26,607 and Hector linked up with him in Palm Springs. 293 00:18:26,689 --> 00:18:31,319 He told us about corruption in Mexico, 294 00:18:31,402 --> 00:18:33,282 and he also told Hector, 295 00:18:33,363 --> 00:18:36,413 "Stop investigating the murder of Kiki Camarena, 296 00:18:36,491 --> 00:18:38,951 your government killed him." 297 00:18:44,207 --> 00:18:47,337 Hector Berrellez, he was uncovering stuff 298 00:18:47,418 --> 00:18:49,958 that was unbelievable. 299 00:18:50,046 --> 00:18:53,796 He was putting it on reports of investigation, 300 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,183 we call them DEA 6's. 301 00:18:57,929 --> 00:19:01,269 BERRELLEZ: DEA 6's are numbered, catalogued, 302 00:19:01,349 --> 00:19:03,479 they are investigative reports that you cannot get rid of. 303 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Once you write it in a DEA 6, it's set in stone, 304 00:19:06,688 --> 00:19:08,148 it cannot be destroyed. 305 00:19:09,732 --> 00:19:12,692 JORDAN: Being in the senior executive level, 306 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:17,777 I know that he was told to stop putting 307 00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:22,446 the involvement of CIA operations into DEA 6's. 308 00:19:22,537 --> 00:19:25,497 Now, you put it in a memo, 309 00:19:25,582 --> 00:19:29,172 you can do the Ollie North shuffle and shred. 310 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,800 INTERVIEWER: What was the reaction when he brought back 311 00:19:33,882 --> 00:19:36,472 his findings with regards to 312 00:19:36,551 --> 00:19:40,971 Felix Rodriguez' presence at Camarena's torture? 313 00:19:42,473 --> 00:19:45,183 Classified, don't get involved. 314 00:19:47,645 --> 00:19:49,895 "You don't have the jurisdiction to investigate him. 315 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:52,441 You know, he's with the CIA." 316 00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:54,895 "So, what do I do about him?" "Write the memo, 317 00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:57,026 "send him up to the Inspector General's office. 318 00:19:57,113 --> 00:19:59,953 "They have jurisdiction to investigate that aspect of it. 319 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,373 You just stay with the drug lords." 320 00:20:04,621 --> 00:20:08,421 I'm naive, I'm dumb. I figure "Okay, somebody's gonna go after him." 321 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,920 I have to tell you, Hector sent information 322 00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:17,175 back to them in boxes. 323 00:20:17,258 --> 00:20:19,258 He sent them back to DEA headquarters, 324 00:20:19,344 --> 00:20:21,934 they disappeared. 325 00:20:34,817 --> 00:20:36,527 BERRELLEZ: So I flew into Washington 326 00:20:36,611 --> 00:20:38,701 and I met with the Administrator. 327 00:20:40,156 --> 00:20:43,736 Jack Lawn, he asked me if I could conduct 328 00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:46,656 an extraterritorial rendition. 329 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:50,626 I looked at him like I'm kinda dumb, and I said, "What's that?" 330 00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:55,048 He kinda smiled and he laughed a little bit, and he goes "Kidnapping." 331 00:20:58,299 --> 00:21:00,179 "Yeah, I can do that." 332 00:21:03,096 --> 00:21:04,636 And he's kinda really taking his time, 333 00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:07,732 just looking at me, not saying much. 334 00:21:07,809 --> 00:21:09,519 I say, "Who do you want kidnapped? 335 00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,482 Who do you want me to get?" 336 00:21:11,562 --> 00:21:14,322 He says, "Can you get that doctor for me?" 337 00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:17,439 I said, "Humberto Machain?" 338 00:21:19,028 --> 00:21:21,108 MEDRANO: Humberto Alvarez Machain 339 00:21:21,197 --> 00:21:24,697 was the physician to the drug cartel. 340 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:27,874 When the drug cartel leaders would party, 341 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:30,964 they'd party hard. 342 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,500 It's not just a three-hour party, 343 00:21:32,583 --> 00:21:35,803 they would party every day for a week. 344 00:21:35,878 --> 00:21:38,878 And it was not uncommon for someone 345 00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:42,175 at one of these big parties to overdose. 346 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:44,300 So, they would have a physician present 347 00:21:44,387 --> 00:21:47,057 to assist that person. 348 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,930 So, fast forward, Agent Camarena is kidnapped, 349 00:21:50,018 --> 00:21:51,938 he's put in this small room 350 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:55,400 at the house at 881 Lope de Vega. 351 00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:58,861 He is beaten, he is tortured. 352 00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:01,703 And the body can only take so much, 353 00:22:01,779 --> 00:22:04,659 so he would lapse into unconsciousness. 354 00:22:04,741 --> 00:22:07,741 Humberto Alvarez Machain was brought in 355 00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:12,077 and he would administer medication to Camarena 356 00:22:12,165 --> 00:22:16,625 to revive him so the torture could continue. 357 00:22:21,299 --> 00:22:25,429 BERRELLEZ: Jack Lawn asked me, "Can you get him?" 358 00:22:25,511 --> 00:22:27,391 "Absolutely, I can get him. He's easy. 359 00:22:27,472 --> 00:22:29,312 Why don't we go after some bigger fish?" 360 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:31,680 He said, "No, no, no, no, no," just like that. 361 00:22:31,768 --> 00:22:34,058 "How would you do it?" 362 00:22:34,145 --> 00:22:35,645 "How would I do it? 363 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:37,070 "I'd hire the Mexicans to do it, 364 00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:39,068 "I'd hire Comandantes to do it. 365 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:40,860 "Pay them money the way the traffickers do. 366 00:22:40,943 --> 00:22:42,703 "Pay them money, they'll-- they'll-- 367 00:22:42,779 --> 00:22:45,279 they'll kidnap the President for the right amount of money." 368 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:47,744 "How much would he cost?" 369 00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:50,445 "Not much. I can probably do it 370 00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:53,456 for about $250,000, a quarter of a million." 371 00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:58,249 He said, "Okay, do it. I want it done." 372 00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:03,880 So I started calling comandantes that I know. 373 00:23:03,966 --> 00:23:06,636 And I know this comandante. 374 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:10,559 I set up a meeting with him in El Paso, Texas. 375 00:23:12,016 --> 00:23:14,056 And I said "Can you kidnap this guy for me?" 376 00:23:14,143 --> 00:23:16,733 He says, "Yeah, absolutely, I can do it." 377 00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:21,233 "Will you do it for $250,000?" He said, "Yeah." 378 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,452 About two weeks later he calls me up and he says, 379 00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:26,199 "Hey," he says, "You know how we're gonna get him? 380 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,830 He likes young beautiful girls." 381 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,868 And I said, "Yeah, let's do that. 382 00:23:30,952 --> 00:23:33,542 Hire a couple of prostitutes." 383 00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:39,091 They called me and they said, "Okay, it's all set up." 384 00:23:39,168 --> 00:23:40,668 So, they cordoned off a whole block 385 00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:43,673 around the clinic with police roadblock. 386 00:23:43,756 --> 00:23:47,386 The girls went in there. 387 00:23:47,468 --> 00:23:49,888 When the doctor shows up, signal goes off, 388 00:23:49,971 --> 00:23:51,641 and they go in and take him 389 00:23:51,722 --> 00:23:53,892 and they put him in a hotel room. 390 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:56,814 From the hotel room, they called me, 391 00:23:56,894 --> 00:23:58,314 and they said, "We got him." 392 00:23:58,396 --> 00:24:01,476 I says, "Get a pilot and get him to El Paso." 393 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,153 So, when I get there, I go to the tower 394 00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:08,987 and I tell them, "DEA, Special Operations. 395 00:24:09,073 --> 00:24:12,373 This plane is going to land, let him land." 396 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:14,371 And, of course FAA, "We can't do that, 397 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,663 and customs and anybody, we can't--" 398 00:24:16,747 --> 00:24:19,917 I says, "You're gonna do it, I don't want to hear no shit. 399 00:24:20,001 --> 00:24:23,251 "This is a very special operation being planned out of headquarters, 400 00:24:23,337 --> 00:24:26,337 Please guys, don't give me any crap, let him land." 401 00:24:26,424 --> 00:24:28,594 They said, "Okay, okay," and they finally backed off. 402 00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:32,676 So, we're there at the airport and the plane lands. 403 00:24:32,763 --> 00:24:35,773 And before it even stopped, the door opens, 404 00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:39,600 and then I see this big fat guy being pushed out of the plane. 405 00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:41,937 The plane doesn't even stop. 406 00:24:42,023 --> 00:24:44,443 They close the gate up again and the plane takes off again. 407 00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:46,985 Good, south to Mexico. 408 00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:49,609 And this guy's laying there on the tarmac. 409 00:24:49,697 --> 00:24:52,697 So I walk up, got my DEA badge. 410 00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:55,953 "Dr. Machin, Hector Berrellez, pleased to meet you. 411 00:24:56,037 --> 00:24:57,287 Get up!" 412 00:25:10,968 --> 00:25:15,468 REPORTER brother-in-law to former Mexican President Echeverria, 413 00:25:15,556 --> 00:25:19,016 was arrested as a material witness in San Antonio last week. 414 00:25:19,101 --> 00:25:21,941 DEA agents believe 415 00:25:22,021 --> 00:25:24,651 that Zuno has information about the murder. 416 00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:28,032 REPORTER Ruben Zuno Arce has ties to the drug traffickers 417 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:30,070 who tortured and killed Camarena. 418 00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:31,744 REPORTER Attorneys for Zuno 419 00:25:31,822 --> 00:25:34,162 deny any drug involvement by their client. 420 00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:41,116 MEDRANO: Ruben Zuno Arce was the owner of 881 Lope de Vega. 421 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:44,787 We had numerous informants who described Ruben Zuno Arce 422 00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:49,507 as a drug dealer himself and in bed with the drug cartel. 423 00:25:51,092 --> 00:25:53,472 Ruben Zuno Arce was the brother-in-law 424 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:55,602 of one of the former presidents of Mexico. 425 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,600 That shows you how high the Zuno Arce tentacles 426 00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,894 reached into the Mexican government. 427 00:26:01,978 --> 00:26:03,978 Let there be no question about this. 428 00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:07,613 The evidence against Ruben Zuno Arce was overwhelming. 429 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:15,180 JORDAN: You have a DEA agent, 430 00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:18,509 who was the supervisor of Kiki Camarena, 431 00:27:18,596 --> 00:27:22,926 testify in federal court that Zuno Arce 432 00:27:23,017 --> 00:27:25,807 was really not in the dope business. 433 00:27:25,895 --> 00:27:29,855 I cannot believe that right there and then-- 434 00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:33,900 That son of a bitch should've been out. 435 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:36,026 He should not have been a DEA agent. 436 00:27:36,113 --> 00:27:39,453 This is Kiki Camarena's supervisor. 437 00:27:43,454 --> 00:27:45,044 And he testifies to the fact 438 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:47,422 that Ruben Zuno is not a drug dealer. 439 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,090 We are shocked. 440 00:27:50,169 --> 00:27:53,549 HOLM: He testified under oath in trial, 441 00:27:53,631 --> 00:27:58,011 and the assistant US attorney was just apoplectic. 442 00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:02,810 BERRELLEZ: After he testifies, we take a little break. 443 00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:05,560 While we're in the elevator, Manny Medrano, the AUSA, 444 00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:08,443 gets his briefcase and he slams it on the elevator floor 445 00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:12,111 and he says, "Hector, take your gun out and shoot me right now. 446 00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:14,191 "We're gonna lose this case! 447 00:28:14,276 --> 00:28:16,986 "He's supposed to be on our side. He's Kiki's supervisor. 448 00:28:17,071 --> 00:28:18,821 He's gonna taint the whole jury." 449 00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:28,584 Then I've got the CIA receiving money from Fonseca, 450 00:28:28,666 --> 00:28:30,876 and arming Fonseca and the drug lords, 451 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,670 and using Caro Quintero's ranch. 452 00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:35,214 Then I've got my own government saying, 453 00:28:35,297 --> 00:28:36,837 "Oh, don't report that. 454 00:28:36,924 --> 00:28:39,934 Don't do DEA 6s on this, that and the other." 455 00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:43,100 There's layers and layers of this case. 456 00:28:46,475 --> 00:28:49,265 We told Hector, 457 00:28:49,353 --> 00:28:51,693 "They are going to shut down your investigation..." 458 00:28:52,773 --> 00:28:54,533 He says, "Why?" 459 00:28:54,608 --> 00:28:58,568 "Because the CIA and the DEA are mixed up in this. 460 00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:04,994 "They are allied with the Narcos, and with politicians, 461 00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:08,327 and with the Mexican government." 462 00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:10,084 But Hector didn't believe us then. 463 00:29:10,166 --> 00:29:12,036 He told us, "No way." 464 00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:15,500 And he got very pissed off. 465 00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:20,128 "No fucking way bastards, this is not Mexico! 466 00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:22,177 "Whoever deserves to fall will fall. 467 00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:23,851 "If the President himself was involved in this, 468 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:27,309 I'm going to fuck him up myself." 469 00:29:27,391 --> 00:29:30,141 I said, "Fine, 470 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:33,017 if you say so." 471 00:29:55,711 --> 00:29:57,761 REPORTER: The drug war had Vice President Dan Quayle 472 00:29:57,838 --> 00:30:00,758 in a tense meeting today with Mexico's President Salinas. 473 00:30:00,841 --> 00:30:03,801 The issue, the abduction of a Mexican doctor 474 00:30:03,886 --> 00:30:05,636 to stand trial in the United States 475 00:30:05,721 --> 00:30:07,681 in connection with the torture and murder 476 00:30:07,765 --> 00:30:09,635 of an American drug agent. 477 00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:13,845 President Salinas expressed to me 478 00:30:13,938 --> 00:30:18,278 his strong displeasure with the Dr. Alvarez incident. 479 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:22,909 There were no DEA agents in Mexico 480 00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:26,528 who are involved in this particular situation. 481 00:30:26,617 --> 00:30:30,537 REPORTER: The head of the DEA said hard feelings can be smoothed over. 482 00:30:30,621 --> 00:30:33,121 There will be some report forthcoming in the next couple of days 483 00:30:33,207 --> 00:30:35,287 that will totally resolve this matter. 484 00:30:35,376 --> 00:30:40,336 BERRELLEZ: Next thing I know, I'm under investigation myself. 485 00:30:42,132 --> 00:30:45,182 "DEA agent, Hector Berrellez, Kidnapper." 486 00:30:45,928 --> 00:30:47,888 "Kidnapped a doctor without headquarters' knowledge 487 00:30:47,972 --> 00:30:50,472 or authorization. Wanted man." 488 00:30:53,143 --> 00:30:56,113 I was there, I was the lead prosecutor. 489 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:59,148 We did our job, we followed the rules, followed the law. 490 00:30:59,233 --> 00:31:01,743 So, anything that happened in this case, 491 00:31:01,819 --> 00:31:05,449 including kidnappings of bad guys from foreign jurisdictions, 492 00:31:05,531 --> 00:31:09,581 was entirely authorized by the American government. 493 00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,120 I want to be very clear about that, 494 00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:14,123 because that's how it all came down. 495 00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:29,389 REPORTER: Dr. Humberto Alvarez Machain 496 00:31:29,471 --> 00:31:32,141 was released last week by a federal judge. 497 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:36,274 After the judge's ruling, Dr. Alvarez broke down and cried. 498 00:31:36,353 --> 00:31:38,983 He hugged and thanked his lawyers. 499 00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:43,244 HOLM: Then the plane that belonged to 500 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,699 the Mexican Attorney General flew to Los Angeles 501 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:49,739 and picked up Machain and flew him back to Mexico. 502 00:31:51,744 --> 00:31:55,254 BERRELLEZ: He was treated like a hero. 503 00:31:55,331 --> 00:31:58,381 Next day was a "David and Goliath" story in Mexico, 504 00:31:58,459 --> 00:32:01,129 that he beat the case in the United States. 505 00:32:01,211 --> 00:32:03,171 He beat Goliath. 506 00:32:30,741 --> 00:32:34,201 BERRELLEZ: So, I was transferred back to Washington, DC, 507 00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:37,616 and was given a desk and a phone. 508 00:32:37,706 --> 00:32:40,996 Really no job, not a real serious job. 509 00:32:41,085 --> 00:32:43,995 They just said, "This is where you're going to work in DC. 510 00:32:44,088 --> 00:32:46,718 "We don't want you contacting any of your sources. 511 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:51,469 No more contact with your witnesses." 512 00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:53,933 So here I am. 513 00:32:54,014 --> 00:32:57,234 I don't know what's gonna happen to me, and I'm very fearful. 514 00:32:57,309 --> 00:33:00,149 I'm not fearful that the traffickers are gonna kill me, 515 00:33:00,229 --> 00:33:02,769 I'm fearful that my own government is gonna kill me. 516 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,530 INTERVIEWER: Did Hector know too much? 517 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:10,570 JORDAN: Yes. Hector, to this day... 518 00:33:10,656 --> 00:33:14,326 knows too much. 519 00:33:24,253 --> 00:33:27,263 BERRELLEZ: Before I left the agency, I was visited by 520 00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:30,179 a supposedly very high-up CIA official. 521 00:33:30,259 --> 00:33:32,179 And he told me, "Hector, you see, 522 00:33:32,261 --> 00:33:36,771 "the CIA is not a law enforcement agency. 523 00:33:36,849 --> 00:33:41,309 "We are not bound 524 00:33:41,395 --> 00:33:45,145 "by Constitutional law. 525 00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:51,662 "Our job is to protect the United States 526 00:33:51,739 --> 00:33:54,489 from foreign enemies." 527 00:33:54,575 --> 00:33:58,155 And he says, "So listen, you be a good soldier, 528 00:33:58,245 --> 00:34:01,245 "you don't want to piss off your own government. 529 00:34:01,331 --> 00:34:05,711 "Just keep all this stuff about the CIA bringing in drugs, 530 00:34:05,794 --> 00:34:10,724 "the CIA, you know, being complicit in Kiki's murder that you allege. 531 00:34:10,799 --> 00:34:15,429 "You can't prove it anyway, so you might as well just keep it all quiet. 532 00:34:15,512 --> 00:34:18,722 "Have a nice life, enjoy your retirement. 533 00:34:18,807 --> 00:34:22,807 "Because, remember, if you upset this government, 534 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:26,435 "you still have that warrant in Mexico. 535 00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:28,323 "You might find yourself in a Mexican prison, 536 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,280 "and you know you won't last a week there. 537 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,740 "So if I was you, mum is the word. 538 00:34:33,822 --> 00:34:35,702 That's all I have to say to you." 539 00:34:35,783 --> 00:34:38,493 And I said, "Thank you, have a nice day." 540 00:34:48,378 --> 00:34:51,048 I felt totally betrayed by the DEA. 541 00:34:51,131 --> 00:34:54,681 Totally, totally betrayed. 542 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,760 There's never been a war on drugs. 543 00:34:56,845 --> 00:35:00,095 It's all a fallacy. It's all a facade. 544 00:35:00,182 --> 00:35:03,062 Our politicians get up, "Oh, we're gonna fight drugs, 545 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:06,613 we're gonna stop the drug flows from coming into the country." 546 00:35:06,688 --> 00:35:08,768 That's not true. 547 00:35:08,857 --> 00:35:12,187 They deal drugs themselves to support their black operations, 548 00:35:12,277 --> 00:35:14,907 to support their wars that are not authorized. 549 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:21,366 There were many injustices done to him. 550 00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:23,713 I could really feel Hector's sorrow. 551 00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:27,754 BERRELLEZ: You miss your kids, you miss not being there 552 00:35:27,835 --> 00:35:30,085 for football games, school events, 553 00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:34,590 they sing at the-- with the choir on Christmas and you're not there. 554 00:35:34,675 --> 00:35:36,885 Sometimes you'll be gone seven months out of a year, 555 00:35:36,969 --> 00:35:40,099 and your family was by themselves in the States. 556 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:43,100 And, I suffered for it later, 557 00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:48,063 I had one of my sons take his life. 558 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,606 He shot himself. 559 00:35:58,282 --> 00:36:01,412 My son was destroyed, my poor Hector. 560 00:36:03,787 --> 00:36:05,207 INTERVIEWER: Do you blame yourself for that? 561 00:36:05,289 --> 00:36:07,119 -BERRELLEZ: I do. -INTERVIEWER: Why? 562 00:36:07,207 --> 00:36:09,877 Because his last words were, "Nobody loves me." 563 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,380 And I felt I didn't show him enough love as a little boy. 564 00:36:14,464 --> 00:36:18,054 I was absent in his life too much. 565 00:36:18,135 --> 00:36:21,215 He was a hell of a baseball player, 566 00:36:21,305 --> 00:36:23,845 and I was never there for his games. 567 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:58,760 INTERVIEWER: What were you saying about Camarena's ghost? 568 00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:02,798 Give me some time... 569 00:37:09,353 --> 00:37:11,103 It's just... 570 00:37:11,188 --> 00:37:13,358 Enrique Camarena. 571 00:37:16,318 --> 00:37:19,148 He represents all the spirits behind me. 572 00:37:22,532 --> 00:37:25,662 They are with me every day. 573 00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:28,834 And now I feel them, with all their energy. 574 00:37:28,914 --> 00:37:31,794 Here, we have him on our side. 575 00:37:31,875 --> 00:37:34,335 And behind him, 576 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:36,919 there are some souls, 577 00:37:37,005 --> 00:37:39,295 grim souls... 578 00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:44,506 asking the Lord for divine justice. 579 00:37:51,228 --> 00:37:53,148 (indistinct chatter) 580 00:37:57,401 --> 00:38:02,571 MIKA CAMARENA: I want to know why our government let Kiki down. 581 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:08,036 One of their best agents... 582 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,540 and they let him down. 583 00:38:12,791 --> 00:38:14,711 JORDAN: He was a friend. 584 00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:17,133 And he was a good friend, he was a working friend, 585 00:38:17,212 --> 00:38:21,262 he was one of the guys that you would want on your team 586 00:38:21,341 --> 00:38:23,051 if you were gonna hit a house. 587 00:38:23,135 --> 00:38:26,255 Kiki was a Marine. 588 00:38:26,346 --> 00:38:29,216 And they did him. 589 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,940 INTERVIEWER: What are you thinking? 590 00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,362 (sighs) 591 00:38:43,447 --> 00:38:46,117 Of the torture. 592 00:38:48,243 --> 00:38:51,163 The guy didn't have a chance. 593 00:38:56,084 --> 00:38:59,554 The betrayal, 594 00:38:59,629 --> 00:39:04,469 which makes it even harder... 595 00:39:07,637 --> 00:39:10,637 to comprehend. 596 00:39:12,642 --> 00:39:14,562 I can't believe it. 597 00:39:14,644 --> 00:39:16,984 I can't believe, uh, 598 00:39:17,064 --> 00:39:19,734 that this really, really happened. 599 00:39:23,278 --> 00:39:24,858 But it did. 600 00:39:24,946 --> 00:39:27,196 It did, it did happen. 601 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,209 INTERVIEWER: Why are you talking now? 602 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:39,920 BERRELLEZ: Well, now I'm talking because the warrant in Mexico has expired. 603 00:39:40,003 --> 00:39:43,223 They can't send me to Mexico any more. 604 00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:45,928 I'm getting older, 605 00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:50,009 and I've had this little thorn in my heart, 606 00:39:50,097 --> 00:39:52,217 knowing the truth of what really happened to Kiki. 607 00:39:52,307 --> 00:39:55,557 I want the world to know the truth. 608 00:39:55,644 --> 00:40:00,364 It's time. I don't want to carry this to the grave with me. 609 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,900 And now, if they kill me, well, okay, 610 00:40:02,984 --> 00:40:07,164 I've had a great life. And they might still kill me. 611 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,489 I am not gonna quit this, I'm gonna be on this crusade 612 00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:15,827 of putting out the true story 'til I die. 613 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:21,294 And if I die doing it, well that's-- that's what God wanted. 614 00:40:28,969 --> 00:40:32,099 (telephone rings) 615 00:40:38,854 --> 00:40:42,154 (ringing continues) 616 00:44:19,366 --> 00:44:22,826 GODOY: Camarena wasn't killed by a single person. 617 00:44:23,161 --> 00:44:25,331 Camarena was killed by many people. 618 00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:29,923 He was killed by politicians, police officers, 619 00:44:31,211 --> 00:44:34,631 by the military, by Narcos, 620 00:44:34,714 --> 00:44:37,054 by the CIA. 621 00:44:37,717 --> 00:44:42,717 Enrique Camarena was just a fucking sacrificial goat. 622 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:46,476 Just a sacrificial goat.